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kobyj
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 Posted: 07/17/03 - 09:58 Post subject: Ball State University Cuts Cross Country and Track
http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/0/002435-3140-001.html
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http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1363402
Ball State announced yesterday that they are cutting indoor and outdoor track as well as cross country. However, they are not cutting field hockey or Men's Volleyball. FIELD HOCKEY!??!?! WHAT'S THAT? Both the field hockey and volleyball teams were recommended to be dropped earlier this year.
| Jesse Davis wrote: | | “I was planning on staying but now I think I'm out of here. I can't stomach to stay around this place; these people who don't even care about us” |
I considered going to Ball State and continue my running with them. Now I'm glad I didn't. Now I'm considering not transferring to Ball State and going somewhere else instead this fall.
Your thoughts on the topic?
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jrjo
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 10:03 Post subject:
After seeing the last couple years, Dave Letterman's "Ball State, Fighting Cardinal, Fighting Cardinal Football updates" and when they actually won one game in several years, I'd think football should have been the first to go 
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 10:47 Post subject:
Solves your problem, kobyj. Bet you're glad you decided to go to a real college.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 11:14 Post subject:
there is Title 9 for you.
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Sahara
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 11:20 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | there is Title 9 for you. |
Explain your thought process please.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 11:23 Post subject:
| Sahara wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | | there is Title 9 for you. |
Explain your thought process please. |
lots of sports are cut at the expense of keeping women's sports. Cross County can no way be that expensive, since most of the equipment they need is uniforms and their travel budget is cheaper only because the teams are smaller.
If they recommended the sports got cut, i.e. field hockey, it would have been an uproar because it is a woman's sport.
Men's sports are getting cut left and right at the expense of keeping more women's sports.
It is just typical of the PC nature of college campus.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 12:19 Post subject:
This is the basis of Title IX in College Athletics:
If your school is made up of 60 percent women and 40 percent men, then your sports teams have to be 60 percent women and 40 percent men. It doesn't matter if every single woman on campus who wants to play a sport is playing; it doesn't matter if 10 times more men want to play sports than women. At the end of the day, you must have the exact same proportions of men and women as you do on the campus - or you can be sued.
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Sahara
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 12:25 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | Sahara wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | | there is Title 9 for you. |
Explain your thought process please. |
lots of sports are cut at the expense of keeping women's sports. Cross County can no way be that expensive, since most of the equipment they need is uniforms and their travel budget is cheaper only because the teams are smaller.
If they recommended the sports got cut, i.e. field hockey, it would have been an uproar because it is a woman's sport.
Men's sports are getting cut left and right at the expense of keeping more women's sports.
It is just typical of the PC nature of college campus. |
Perhaps yours was a knee-jerk reaction because only mens teams were cut(?). Ball State seems to juggling... cost of having a program and possible revenue from spectators (however small). Dunno the answer but in this case, Ball State doesn't seem to be cowarding to Title IX.
But if you want to argue that other universities are cutting mens programs specifically due to Title IX... here's some fodder
http://www.lsj.com/news/local/011216_gender_1a-4a.html
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AlaninTX
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 12:27 Post subject:
The betting window is now open. Any early bets on how many pages this bad boy tops out at?
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coachmarkos
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 12:31 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | The betting window is now open. Any early bets on how many pagers this bad boy tops out at? |
I'm guessing 5.
And...I think it's too bad that these sports are being cut, but hey, if the university wants to make cuts, it is their university, they can cut whatever program they want, and that is the program that they chose.
If I was one of the people in that program, I'd be upset too. But, I am not.
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elkid
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 12:45 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | The betting window is now open. Any early bets on how many pages this bad boy tops out at? |
I'm going with 6. Particularly when I say this: I'm all for the "well-rounded student" principle, but I thought the whole point of college was to GET AN EDUCATION? Anyone picking colleges more on athletic programs than academic ones has no business being in college in the first place. Even if you need the athletic scholarship to attend the school. For instance, if you have the grades to go to say a "smarter" school and get there on an athletic scholarship, fine. But there are plenty of schools that give money to athletes that are dumb as a box of rocks while simultaneously turning away bright candidates.
This of course excludes school athletic programs (thinking Big 10 football & hoops here) that mostly fund themselves and don't take liberally from the school's budget.
Like it or not, higher education is a business as well as an institution of learning. If it's not profitable aka supporting itself, the sport should be cut, proportionally according to the number of male to female students, and the funds reallocated. You shouldn't have a woman's sport just for having it based on quota, but you shouldn't have 1 female sport for every 5 male ones if the school has a 50/50 ratio.
One final note: I remember there being women's CC, men's CC, and women's field hockey in college. I only remember attending field hockey. CC is awfully boring to watch, you know. But field hockey has a greater mass appeal and market value, hence why it was probably selected over CC to remain at Ball State.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 13:23 Post subject:
| coachmarkos wrote: | | AlaninTX wrote: | | The betting window is now open. Any early bets on how many pagers this bad boy tops out at? |
I'm guessing 5.
And...I think it's too bad that these sports are being cut, but hey, if the university wants to make cuts, it is their university, they can cut whatever program they want, and that is the program that they chose.
If I was one of the people in that program, I'd be upset too. But, I am not. |
I would be furious. As the schools have a bulky administration and staff with overpriced and paid professors I am sure cuts could be made else where. What about almuni directed giving for certain sport to keep it. I am sure a lot of certain sports alumni would be able to "sponsor" a sport so to speak.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 13:27 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | The betting window is now open. Any early bets on how many pages this bad boy tops out at? |
at least 6...
sorry joe, but I think you started it with
| rtpd113 wrote: | | there is Title 9 for you. |
I'm restraining myself there for now!
For what its worth I understand BSU has a great field hockey team, I knew 2 girls who went there for that. Sorry though Kobyj that it affects your plans.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 13:31 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: |
I would be furious. As the schools have a bulky administration and staff with overpriced and paid professors I am sure cuts could be made else where. What about almuni directed giving for certain sport to keep it. I am sure a lot of certain sports alumni would be able to "sponsor" a sport so to speak. |
I'm not sure how this works, but aren't athletic budgets strictly athletic budgets? Like, they can't pull from other areas? Esp at Ball state, a school I'm wagering doesn't likely have much income in any of its sports. I'm also guessing they've been rallying around their alumni for support. I have a friend in development and its interesting the ways they find to get money from people.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 13:34 Post subject:
I believe Penn State has a Linebacker position scholarship position that is alumni funded.
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